Date   

Re: boat for sale

Bryrick Shillam
 

Can you send pictures to bshillam@... please?
I’d be interested or have clients I’d like to present it to.


Re: boat for sale

Verna Curry
 

Location is marina bay in richmond California

On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 01:47:25 PM PDT, Verna Curry <vernaj@...> wrote:


Best offer. Somewhere around. $10000 seems fair but I want to sell by years end so someone will be getting a deal.

On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 10:50:39 AM PDT, Les Higgins via groups.io <almonhiggins@...> wrote:


What is the asking price?  


On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Peter P via groups.io <pete_pisc@...> wrote:

Thanks for listing this. Suggest including a location and a price. 

Best success in finding the next owner! 

Peter


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:07 AM, Verna Curry
<vernaj@...> wrote:
A few months ago I asked you folks for advise on selling my boat, 75 Vega Horizon Willard 30.  Most of the work is done now but I'm giving up.  I'm going to sell on an as is basis. Please make an offer!

She's looking good but after the starter and trickle charger replacement she won't start.  I'm told there's an electrical problem.  The last big ticket items were a new heat exchanger and propeller shaft.

After 30 years it's just time to get rid of her.  Willard's really are good solid boats and I would love to give her to someone who would give her some TLC.

If you want some interior picks or to see her in person at the Richmond Marina Bay please e-mail at vernaj@....

I really enjoy reading all the chat going on between you people!





--

M/V Weebles
1970 Willard 36 Sedan Hull #40

Ensenada, MX

--
Les H.

1973 Searcher, Molly Dog, Stockton,Ca 


Re: boat for sale

Verna Curry
 

Best offer. Somewhere around. $10000 seems fair but I want to sell by years end so someone will be getting a deal.

On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 10:50:39 AM PDT, Les Higgins via groups.io <almonhiggins@...> wrote:


What is the asking price?  


On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Peter P via groups.io <pete_pisc@...> wrote:

Thanks for listing this. Suggest including a location and a price. 

Best success in finding the next owner! 

Peter


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:07 AM, Verna Curry
<vernaj@...> wrote:
A few months ago I asked you folks for advise on selling my boat, 75 Vega Horizon Willard 30.  Most of the work is done now but I'm giving up.  I'm going to sell on an as is basis. Please make an offer!

She's looking good but after the starter and trickle charger replacement she won't start.  I'm told there's an electrical problem.  The last big ticket items were a new heat exchanger and propeller shaft.

After 30 years it's just time to get rid of her.  Willard's really are good solid boats and I would love to give her to someone who would give her some TLC.

If you want some interior picks or to see her in person at the Richmond Marina Bay please e-mail at vernaj@....

I really enjoy reading all the chat going on between you people!





--

M/V Weebles
1970 Willard 36 Sedan Hull #40

Ensenada, MX

--
Les H.

1973 Searcher, Molly Dog, Stockton,Ca 


Re: boat for sale

Les Higgins
 

What is the asking price?  


On Oct 24, 2020, at 10:32 AM, Peter P via groups.io <pete_pisc@...> wrote:

Thanks for listing this. Suggest including a location and a price. 

Best success in finding the next owner! 

Peter


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:07 AM, Verna Curry
<vernaj@...> wrote:
A few months ago I asked you folks for advise on selling my boat, 75 Vega Horizon Willard 30.  Most of the work is done now but I'm giving up.  I'm going to sell on an as is basis. Please make an offer!

She's looking good but after the starter and trickle charger replacement she won't start.  I'm told there's an electrical problem.  The last big ticket items were a new heat exchanger and propeller shaft.

After 30 years it's just time to get rid of her.  Willard's really are good solid boats and I would love to give her to someone who would give her some TLC.

If you want some interior picks or to see her in person at the Richmond Marina Bay please e-mail at vernaj@....

I really enjoy reading all the chat going on between you people!





--

M/V Weebles
1970 Willard 36 Sedan Hull #40

Ensenada, MX

--
Les H.

1973 Searcher, Molly Dog, Stockton,Ca 


Re: boat for sale

Peter P
 

Thanks for listing this. Suggest including a location and a price. 

Best success in finding the next owner! 

Peter


On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:07 AM, Verna Curry
<vernaj@...> wrote:
A few months ago I asked you folks for advise on selling my boat, 75 Vega Horizon Willard 30.  Most of the work is done now but I'm giving up.  I'm going to sell on an as is basis. Please make an offer!

She's looking good but after the starter and trickle charger replacement she won't start.  I'm told there's an electrical problem.  The last big ticket items were a new heat exchanger and propeller shaft.

After 30 years it's just time to get rid of her.  Willard's really are good solid boats and I would love to give her to someone who would give her some TLC.

If you want some interior picks or to see her in person at the Richmond Marina Bay please e-mail at vernaj@....

I really enjoy reading all the chat going on between you people!





--

M/V Weebles
1970 Willard 36 Sedan Hull #40

Ensenada, MX


boat for sale

Verna Curry
 

A few months ago I asked you folks for advise on selling my boat, 75 Vega Horizon Willard 30.  Most of the work is done now but I'm giving up.  I'm going to sell on an as is basis. Please make an offer!

She's looking good but after the starter and trickle charger replacement she won't start.  I'm told there's an electrical problem.  The last big ticket items were a new heat exchanger and propeller shaft.

After 30 years it's just time to get rid of her.  Willard's really are good solid boats and I would love to give her to someone who would give her some TLC.

If you want some interior picks or to see her in person at the Richmond Marina Bay please e-mail at vernaj@....

I really enjoy reading all the chat going on between you people!


Re: Willard 40 wiring diagram

Curt Dawson
 

Thank you for the pointer!




On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 16:15, Rick E <rick@...> wrote:

Perkins manual (and other manuals) can be downloaded from the WOG site at https://willardboats.org/manuals
--
willardboats.org

--
“Duet” W40


Re: Willard 40 wiring diagram

Rick E
 

Perkins manual (and other manuals) can be downloaded from the WOG site at https://willardboats.org/manuals
--
willardboats.org


Re: Willard 40 wiring diagram

Glenn & Lisa Smith
 

Hey guys I have pdf 114 pg workshop manual for 4.108, 4.107 and 4.99 from Perkins Engines Limited, I would be more then willing to send to you if you desire, just let me know

Glenn Smith 
Voyager Vega 30
Smithsonian MCMLXXIV


On Oct 10, 2020, at 12:56 PM, Richard A. Miller <ramillerco@...> wrote:


The Perkins 4-107 was Willard’s standard engine in the Willard 30’s.

Of course, the first owner of any individual boat could have specified and paid for something else; and in some cases a subsequent owner may have replaced a Perkins with something else.

Richard Miller
Willard 40 Adria

On Oct 10, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Gary Mertl via groups.io <gulliver32us@...> wrote:


On my 1974 Vega 30, I have a Perkins 4-107. Most likely, it's the original engine.

Gary
W30 Voyager, Orca
Bellingham, WA


On Friday, October 9, 2020, 02:34:02 PM PDT, Justine Tenzeldam <eastbayjustine@...> wrote:


Hi. I have a 1973 Vega 30. Wondering if you know what kind of motor is in yours? I thought it was an International Harvester then was told it was a Volvo Penta Weston Perkins Parts on it. Looks like I have Aftermarket Wiring as well so a lot has been done on it before it came to me. Unfortunately I don't know all the history. Thanks for letting me know whatever you can share.
Justine
Black Pearl
Emeryville CA

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 11:03 AM Glenn & Lisa Smith <glenns0057@...> wrote:
You might try Willard Marine, there is a guy (Ned) there that loves researching this old stuff. He sent me a complete user manual for my 74 Vega 30, nice guy shoot him an email: nlyon@...






--
Justine Tenzeldam - the Black Pearl

--
Gary
W30 Voyager, ORCA
Bellingham, WA


Re: Willard 40 wiring diagram

Richard A. Miller
 

The Perkins 4-107 was Willard’s standard engine in the Willard 30’s.

Of course, the first owner of any individual boat could have specified and paid for something else; and in some cases a subsequent owner may have replaced a Perkins with something else.

Richard Miller
Willard 40 Adria

On Oct 10, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Gary Mertl via groups.io <gulliver32us@...> wrote:


On my 1974 Vega 30, I have a Perkins 4-107. Most likely, it's the original engine.

Gary
W30 Voyager, Orca
Bellingham, WA


On Friday, October 9, 2020, 02:34:02 PM PDT, Justine Tenzeldam <eastbayjustine@...> wrote:


Hi. I have a 1973 Vega 30. Wondering if you know what kind of motor is in yours? I thought it was an International Harvester then was told it was a Volvo Penta Weston Perkins Parts on it. Looks like I have Aftermarket Wiring as well so a lot has been done on it before it came to me. Unfortunately I don't know all the history. Thanks for letting me know whatever you can share.
Justine
Black Pearl
Emeryville CA

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 11:03 AM Glenn & Lisa Smith <glenns0057@...> wrote:
You might try Willard Marine, there is a guy (Ned) there that loves researching this old stuff. He sent me a complete user manual for my 74 Vega 30, nice guy shoot him an email: nlyon@...






--
Justine Tenzeldam - the Black Pearl

--
Gary
W30 Voyager, ORCA
Bellingham, WA


Re: Willard 40 wiring diagram

Gary Mertl
 

On my 1974 Vega 30, I have a Perkins 4-107. Most likely, it's the original engine.

Gary
W30 Voyager, Orca
Bellingham, WA


On Friday, October 9, 2020, 02:34:02 PM PDT, Justine Tenzeldam <eastbayjustine@...> wrote:


Hi. I have a 1973 Vega 30. Wondering if you know what kind of motor is in yours? I thought it was an International Harvester then was told it was a Volvo Penta Weston Perkins Parts on it. Looks like I have Aftermarket Wiring as well so a lot has been done on it before it came to me. Unfortunately I don't know all the history. Thanks for letting me know whatever you can share.
Justine
Black Pearl
Emeryville CA

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 11:03 AM Glenn & Lisa Smith <glenns0057@...> wrote:
You might try Willard Marine, there is a guy (Ned) there that loves researching this old stuff. He sent me a complete user manual for my 74 Vega 30, nice guy shoot him an email: nlyon@...






--
Justine Tenzeldam - the Black Pearl

--
Gary
W30 Voyager, ORCA
Bellingham, WA


Re: Willard 40 wiring diagram

Les Higgins
 

Hey there Justine, I am the minder of Molly Dog, she has a Perkins 4.107, 4 cyl, 50 hp. Power plant. Ours is a 1973 Searcher, 30’ Vega. Mine has had numerous addition, refits, and retro wiring as well, I could not begin to think any of its original. It is a project on the list to trace down all of the wiring and determine, what is in use and what is not,  not to mentioned the condition of the existing wires.
Send pictures of the motor, and if you locate the motor serial number, if it’s a Perkins it will be on the fuel lift pump, you can go on the Perkins website to determine what you have. If you have a Perkins 4.107 or 4.108, I think I might have the diagram your looking for, I will copy and send to you..

Let me know.
Les.


On Oct 9, 2020, at 14:34, Justine Tenzeldam <eastbayjustine@...> wrote:


Hi. I have a 1973 Vega 30. Wondering if you know what kind of motor is in yours? I thought it was an International Harvester then was told it was a Volvo Penta Weston Perkins Parts on it. Looks like I have Aftermarket Wiring as well so a lot has been done on it before it came to me. Unfortunately I don't know all the history. Thanks for letting me know whatever you can share.
Justine
Black Pearl
Emeryville CA

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 11:03 AM Glenn & Lisa Smith <glenns0057@...> wrote:
You might try Willard Marine, there is a guy (Ned) there that loves researching this old stuff. He sent me a complete user manual for my 74 Vega 30, nice guy shoot him an email: nlyon@...






--
Justine Tenzeldam - the Black Pearl

--
Les H.

1973 Searcher, Molly Dog, Stockton,Ca 


Re: Willard 40 wiring diagram

Justine Tenzeldam
 

Hi. I have a 1973 Vega 30. Wondering if you know what kind of motor is in yours? I thought it was an International Harvester then was told it was a Volvo Penta Weston Perkins Parts on it. Looks like I have Aftermarket Wiring as well so a lot has been done on it before it came to me. Unfortunately I don't know all the history. Thanks for letting me know whatever you can share.
Justine
Black Pearl
Emeryville CA

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 11:03 AM Glenn & Lisa Smith <glenns0057@...> wrote:
You might try Willard Marine, there is a guy (Ned) there that loves researching this old stuff. He sent me a complete user manual for my 74 Vega 30, nice guy shoot him an email: nlyon@...






--
Justine Tenzeldam - the Black Pearl


Re: Willard 40 wiring diagram

Glenn & Lisa Smith
 

You might try Willard Marine, there is a guy (Ned) there that loves researching this old stuff. He sent me a complete user manual for my 74 Vega 30, nice guy shoot him an email: nlyon@...


Willard 40 wiring diagram

Curt Dawson
 

Hello, I’m having challenges with the 110 wiring on my 82 FBS. The neutral and grounds are bonded. Do other boats have this configuration?  Does any one have a factory wiring diagram?

--
“Duet” W40


Re: [ADV] [WillardBoatOwners] What's holding your roof down?

Pease, Dan
 

I'm getting the picture now. Not really what we call a pad eye out here, that looks more like a u-bolt, so I agree with you that it is better designed for that purpose.
Enclosed pic of "East Coast" pad eye.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 14:36 Sean Eamon Kennedy via groups.io <Seamonk=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Yep, the chain plates were for the mast stays. The mast, while tall for a motor boat, is still very low aspect. It’s strictly a comm tower - lights, antenna, radar etc - no sails. So low stress. Still, the pad eyes are honkin’ and designed for upward loads. I could barely squeeze the toggles over them. 

The weak flange is twice as thick here, but still really fiber starved. I’m hoping the deck, flange, and pad eyes have a mutual support pact between them to keep the roof on and the stick up. 

The photos below show the underside and above side of the starboard pad eye. You can also see the old bolt holes where the chain plate was affixed. The chain plates where way oversized for the purpose, and the bolts and washers way undersized, in my opinion. The chaine plates had some play so there was leakage and rot around them. 

I’m not shooting for a “make it best” remodel. I might not even get to “make it good”. But I always try for “make it better”. I tell the dock box gang I want to bring Moonlight up the level of a beat up ol’ work boat. 



On Sep 30, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Pease, Dan <capt.revere@...> wrote:


What was the function of the chainplates that you removed?  Mast support?
Generally chainplates are fastened to a vertical component, bulkhead, cabin side, or hull. 
Most pad eyes are not designed for upward force, even if thru-bolted. And I think I understand that you thru-bolted them to an admittedly weak flange component. 
Hopefully your loads are small and the expanse of the cabin top can handle the stress. Is the cabin top 1.5 inches thick plywood?
Dan

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 19:59 Sean Eamon Kennedy via groups.io <Seamonk=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
1974, #78

On Sep 30, 2020, at 3:32 PM, pearln77 <klingbiel@...> wrote:


Very interesting, Sean. What year Vega is Moonlight? -- Rich Klingbiel, 1974 Voyager Mary Anne.


From: "Sean Eamon Kennedy via groups.io" <Seamonk=me.com@groups.io>
To: main@willardboatowners.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:01:50 AM
Subject: [ADV] [WillardBoatOwners] What's holding your roof down?

I’ve had persistent leaks where the pilot house cabin top (roof) joins the cabin sides. While I already knew the sides and top weren’t well attached in places, I’ve discovered the problem doesn’t just occur in places. It’s true all the way round both the pilot house and salon cabin tops.

For both decks, the 'glass of the cabin sides turns inward to form a shelf that the tops sit on. 

There are big problems with the construction:
  1. The ‘glass itself includes very little fiberglass - it’s almost all resin. The resin is uneven and chips flake off easily.
  2. The curve of the shelf isn’t fair and doesn’t match the curve of the top. There are ½” gaps or more in places.
  3. There’s no adhesive. The caulk in between isn’t 5200, that’s for sure. Once I was able to grab an end it was easy to pull the caulking out. And it was only a bead at the outside edge, not a full gasket over the width of the shelf.
  4. The only attachment is a series of undersize 1¼” screws, coming up from the underside into the plywood of the top. There were no thru-bolts. The screws had bugle heads even though the resin of the shelf wasn’t counter sunk to take them. Many of them were stripped out in the wet plywood

My fix was to clean out the gap and fill it as best I could from inside and out with 5200, and then replace all the screws with a larger diameter and larger sheet metal flat head. I doubled where the existing screws were already stripped. Also, at the forward corners I replaced the chain plates with pad eyes that bolted through the top and the shelf. I’m thinking about adding similar through-bolted pad eyes to the back corners and to all four corners of the salon cabin top as well.

-Sean
Moonlight, Vega Voyager

This photo is looking at the aft starboard corner, without a headliner. You can see the shelf and the screws. You can also see how unfair the shelf is and how it doesn’t follow the curve of the top.
<IMG_7132.jpeg>

Here’s a shot from the same angle  but a higher elevation, showing the gap between the shelf and the top.
<IMG_7133 2.jpeg>


--
Sean Eamon Kennedy
Vega Voyager “Moonlight”

--
Sean Eamon Kennedy
Vega Voyager “Moonlight”


--
Sean Eamon Kennedy
Vega Voyager “Moonlight”


Re: [ADV] [WillardBoatOwners] What's holding your roof down?

Sean Eamon Kennedy
 

Yep, the chain plates were for the mast stays. The mast, while tall for a motor boat, is still very low aspect. It’s strictly a comm tower - lights, antenna, radar etc - no sails. So low stress. Still, the pad eyes are honkin’ and designed for upward loads. I could barely squeeze the toggles over them. 

The weak flange is twice as thick here, but still really fiber starved. I’m hoping the deck, flange, and pad eyes have a mutual support pact between them to keep the roof on and the stick up. 

The photos below show the underside and above side of the starboard pad eye. You can also see the old bolt holes where the chain plate was affixed. The chain plates where way oversized for the purpose, and the bolts and washers way undersized, in my opinion. The chaine plates had some play so there was leakage and rot around them. 

I’m not shooting for a “make it best” remodel. I might not even get to “make it good”. But I always try for “make it better”. I tell the dock box gang I want to bring Moonlight up the level of a beat up ol’ work boat. 



On Sep 30, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Pease, Dan <capt.revere@...> wrote:


What was the function of the chainplates that you removed?  Mast support?
Generally chainplates are fastened to a vertical component, bulkhead, cabin side, or hull. 
Most pad eyes are not designed for upward force, even if thru-bolted. And I think I understand that you thru-bolted them to an admittedly weak flange component. 
Hopefully your loads are small and the expanse of the cabin top can handle the stress. Is the cabin top 1.5 inches thick plywood?
Dan

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 19:59 Sean Eamon Kennedy via groups.io <Seamonk=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
1974, #78

On Sep 30, 2020, at 3:32 PM, pearln77 <klingbiel@...> wrote:


Very interesting, Sean. What year Vega is Moonlight? -- Rich Klingbiel, 1974 Voyager Mary Anne.


From: "Sean Eamon Kennedy via groups.io" <Seamonk=me.com@groups.io>
To: main@willardboatowners.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:01:50 AM
Subject: [ADV] [WillardBoatOwners] What's holding your roof down?

I’ve had persistent leaks where the pilot house cabin top (roof) joins the cabin sides. While I already knew the sides and top weren’t well attached in places, I’ve discovered the problem doesn’t just occur in places. It’s true all the way round both the pilot house and salon cabin tops.

For both decks, the 'glass of the cabin sides turns inward to form a shelf that the tops sit on. 

There are big problems with the construction:
  1. The ‘glass itself includes very little fiberglass - it’s almost all resin. The resin is uneven and chips flake off easily.
  2. The curve of the shelf isn’t fair and doesn’t match the curve of the top. There are ½” gaps or more in places.
  3. There’s no adhesive. The caulk in between isn’t 5200, that’s for sure. Once I was able to grab an end it was easy to pull the caulking out. And it was only a bead at the outside edge, not a full gasket over the width of the shelf.
  4. The only attachment is a series of undersize 1¼” screws, coming up from the underside into the plywood of the top. There were no thru-bolts. The screws had bugle heads even though the resin of the shelf wasn’t counter sunk to take them. Many of them were stripped out in the wet plywood

My fix was to clean out the gap and fill it as best I could from inside and out with 5200, and then replace all the screws with a larger diameter and larger sheet metal flat head. I doubled where the existing screws were already stripped. Also, at the forward corners I replaced the chain plates with pad eyes that bolted through the top and the shelf. I’m thinking about adding similar through-bolted pad eyes to the back corners and to all four corners of the salon cabin top as well.

-Sean
Moonlight, Vega Voyager

This photo is looking at the aft starboard corner, without a headliner. You can see the shelf and the screws. You can also see how unfair the shelf is and how it doesn’t follow the curve of the top.
<IMG_7132.jpeg>

Here’s a shot from the same angle  but a higher elevation, showing the gap between the shelf and the top.
<IMG_7133 2.jpeg>


--
Sean Eamon Kennedy
Vega Voyager “Moonlight”

--
Sean Eamon Kennedy
Vega Voyager “Moonlight”


--
Sean Eamon Kennedy
Vega Voyager “Moonlight”


Re: WBO - SOON: Pass-the-Hat to fund the Site

Rick E
 

Thanks to all who have expressed support for continuing with the Willard Boat Owners list as well as the Willard Owners Group website. As has been noted, I have had orders in for supplies of Willard burgees and Willard baseball caps. Both items suffered from supplier delays due to Covid, but are now in stock.  I have received orders from Willard owners for many of them already, and they will be going in the email tomorrow.  I have notified those who are on my list, to alert them of their stuff coming. 

If you didn't get an email from me, and want to order hats or burgees, please go to the WOG website, where there is an order form and donation form. Start here: https://willardboats.org/form/willard-stuff , and after ordering you will end up on a donation form where you can help cover the cost of merchandise and both websites. 

The suggested donation amount for the merchandise include an adequate markup to cover mailing costs, with extra to go for covering the website costs. If you don't need or want burgees, you can still make donations to the site, at https://willardboats.org/donate-wog.  



Again, thanks to everyone for supporting our sites! 

-Rick


Re: [ADV] [WillardBoatOwners] What's holding your roof down?

Pease, Dan
 

What was the function of the chainplates that you removed?  Mast support?
Generally chainplates are fastened to a vertical component, bulkhead, cabin side, or hull. 
Most pad eyes are not designed for upward force, even if thru-bolted. And I think I understand that you thru-bolted them to an admittedly weak flange component. 
Hopefully your loads are small and the expanse of the cabin top can handle the stress. Is the cabin top 1.5 inches thick plywood?
Dan

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 19:59 Sean Eamon Kennedy via groups.io <Seamonk=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
1974, #78

On Sep 30, 2020, at 3:32 PM, pearln77 <klingbiel@...> wrote:


Very interesting, Sean. What year Vega is Moonlight? -- Rich Klingbiel, 1974 Voyager Mary Anne.


From: "Sean Eamon Kennedy via groups.io" <Seamonk=me.com@groups.io>
To: main@willardboatowners.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:01:50 AM
Subject: [ADV] [WillardBoatOwners] What's holding your roof down?

I’ve had persistent leaks where the pilot house cabin top (roof) joins the cabin sides. While I already knew the sides and top weren’t well attached in places, I’ve discovered the problem doesn’t just occur in places. It’s true all the way round both the pilot house and salon cabin tops.

For both decks, the 'glass of the cabin sides turns inward to form a shelf that the tops sit on. 

There are big problems with the construction:
  1. The ‘glass itself includes very little fiberglass - it’s almost all resin. The resin is uneven and chips flake off easily.
  2. The curve of the shelf isn’t fair and doesn’t match the curve of the top. There are ½” gaps or more in places.
  3. There’s no adhesive. The caulk in between isn’t 5200, that’s for sure. Once I was able to grab an end it was easy to pull the caulking out. And it was only a bead at the outside edge, not a full gasket over the width of the shelf.
  4. The only attachment is a series of undersize 1¼” screws, coming up from the underside into the plywood of the top. There were no thru-bolts. The screws had bugle heads even though the resin of the shelf wasn’t counter sunk to take them. Many of them were stripped out in the wet plywood

My fix was to clean out the gap and fill it as best I could from inside and out with 5200, and then replace all the screws with a larger diameter and larger sheet metal flat head. I doubled where the existing screws were already stripped. Also, at the forward corners I replaced the chain plates with pad eyes that bolted through the top and the shelf. I’m thinking about adding similar through-bolted pad eyes to the back corners and to all four corners of the salon cabin top as well.

-Sean
Moonlight, Vega Voyager

This photo is looking at the aft starboard corner, without a headliner. You can see the shelf and the screws. You can also see how unfair the shelf is and how it doesn’t follow the curve of the top.
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Here’s a shot from the same angle  but a higher elevation, showing the gap between the shelf and the top.
<IMG_7133 2.jpeg>


--
Sean Eamon Kennedy
Vega Voyager “Moonlight”

--
Sean Eamon Kennedy
Vega Voyager “Moonlight”


Re: [ADV] [WillardBoatOwners] What's holding your roof down?

Sean Eamon Kennedy
 

1974, #78

On Sep 30, 2020, at 3:32 PM, pearln77 <klingbiel@...> wrote:


Very interesting, Sean. What year Vega is Moonlight? -- Rich Klingbiel, 1974 Voyager Mary Anne.


From: "Sean Eamon Kennedy via groups.io" <Seamonk@...>
To: main@willardboatowners.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 10:01:50 AM
Subject: [ADV] [WillardBoatOwners] What's holding your roof down?

I’ve had persistent leaks where the pilot house cabin top (roof) joins the cabin sides. While I already knew the sides and top weren’t well attached in places, I’ve discovered the problem doesn’t just occur in places. It’s true all the way round both the pilot house and salon cabin tops.

For both decks, the 'glass of the cabin sides turns inward to form a shelf that the tops sit on. 

There are big problems with the construction:
  1. The ‘glass itself includes very little fiberglass - it’s almost all resin. The resin is uneven and chips flake off easily.
  2. The curve of the shelf isn’t fair and doesn’t match the curve of the top. There are ½” gaps or more in places.
  3. There’s no adhesive. The caulk in between isn’t 5200, that’s for sure. Once I was able to grab an end it was easy to pull the caulking out. And it was only a bead at the outside edge, not a full gasket over the width of the shelf.
  4. The only attachment is a series of undersize 1¼” screws, coming up from the underside into the plywood of the top. There were no thru-bolts. The screws had bugle heads even though the resin of the shelf wasn’t counter sunk to take them. Many of them were stripped out in the wet plywood

My fix was to clean out the gap and fill it as best I could from inside and out with 5200, and then replace all the screws with a larger diameter and larger sheet metal flat head. I doubled where the existing screws were already stripped. Also, at the forward corners I replaced the chain plates with pad eyes that bolted through the top and the shelf. I’m thinking about adding similar through-bolted pad eyes to the back corners and to all four corners of the salon cabin top as well.

-Sean
Moonlight, Vega Voyager

This photo is looking at the aft starboard corner, without a headliner. You can see the shelf and the screws. You can also see how unfair the shelf is and how it doesn’t follow the curve of the top.
<IMG_7132.jpeg>

Here’s a shot from the same angle  but a higher elevation, showing the gap between the shelf and the top.
<IMG_7133 2.jpeg>


--
Sean Eamon Kennedy
Vega Voyager “Moonlight”

--
Sean Eamon Kennedy
Vega Voyager “Moonlight”